The Truth About GIA Triple Excellent Diamonds

are gia 3x diamonds the best

In the world of round diamonds, a stone that scores an excellent rating in all three aspects of polish, symmetry and cut (3 ex) is often considered to be the pinnacle of well-cut diamonds. In fact, consumers with a better awareness of cut tend to buy diamonds specifically within the triple excellent standards.

It’s no coincidence that jewelers make use of the GIA triple excellent “branding” to market their inventory and charge a higher premium for such diamonds. However, one common misconception consumers have is that as long as they buy a GIA triple excellent diamond, they will be getting the most brilliant and most well-cut diamond.

What If I Tell You That Statement is Wrong? 

The truth is, most jewelers and sales staff mislead consumers during a pitch just to close a sale. Diamonds are NOT created equal. A diamond with 3 excellent ratings in a GIA lab report doesn’t necessarily mean that it has the best possible optical performance nor does it mean that it is the best looking diamond.

Here’s an analogy I’ll use to explain this in a simplistic manner. In a school exam, students who attain a score of 75/100 or more would receive a distinction “A” grade. Herein also lies the problem of segregating the best performing students based on grades.

If student Y scores 78 points and student Z scores 99 points, both of them fall into the same “A” grade. However, if I were to pick the better student based on the merit of score, student Z is hands down the better choice. In the same way, two diamonds with triple excellent grades can have huge differences once you start looking into details.

lab grading results and information

Layout of the Dossier Report

Now, I want to go on record to say that if you blindly buy a GIA triple excellent diamond, you definitely won’t get an “ugly” looking stone. This is because each diamond has to pass through a visual inspection for fire, brilliance and scintillation during the GIA grading process.

Instead, it now becomes a matter of how precise the diamond is cut and the degree of light performance the diamond has. In this regard, a lab report by itself will not tell you anything meaningful when you make comparisons between 3Ex diamonds.

– Did the diamond barely made it to an excellent cut grade?

– Was the diamond cut so well that it sits on the zenith of the excellent grade?

If you want to bypass the lengthy and technical process of buying a truly well-cut diamond, I recommend checking out Whiteflash and Brian Gavin Diamonds. The cut precision of their signature diamonds are the best in the industry.

Triple Excellents? So What? I’m Not Getting Any of These

Let’s get to the meat of the content now. I’m going in-depth to explain why the above examples fail to meet the cut (pun intended). For your reference, you can click the links below to access the lab reports and view HD videos of the diamonds.

  1. 0.70 Carat F Color VS2 Round Brilliant
  2. 0.72 Carat G Color VVS2 Round Brilliant
  3. 1.00 Carat F Color VVS2 Round Brilliant

Diamond 1 – Steep Pavilion Angles

Well-cut diamonds look bright because the facets position themselves to handle and return light to the viewer’s eye. So, what’s the issue with the first stone that caused me to reject it?

Let’s take a closer look at the proportions diagram from the lab report…

steep pavilion angle of 41 point 4 degrees

When choosing a round brilliant cut diamond, you need to place emphasis on the angles and proportions as they play a huge role in determining optical performance. Steep pavilion angles (> 41.0°) will usually cause light leakage beneath the table facet. To illustrate this, look at the idealscope image of the diamond below…

idealscope for steep pavilion angles

Here’s a quick explanation for readers who are new and aren’t familiar with the idealscope. In a nutshell, an idealscope is a simple and portable tool that anyone can use to analyze a diamond’s light performance. The red areas represent light return while the white areas indicate light leakage which is undesirable.

You can click this link for more information about using the Idealscope if you are interested.

Diamond 2 – Deeply Cut Diamond

Unlike the first example, the second diamond is cut deeper and has a depth percentage of 63.0%. This immediately raises a red flag whenever I am reviewing diamonds. Why? Having a diamond that is cut too deeply will mean that you get a smaller looking stone since its weight is hidden in the profile view.

diamond with 63 percent depth

If you do a comparison of the physical dimensions between the 1st and 2nd stone, you will notice that the diameter of stone #1 is slightly bigger than stone #2 even though it is lighter.

Also, deeper cut diamonds tend to exhibit light leakage under the table as indicated by the diagram below. We can verify this phenomenon in the Idealscope image below too…

how proportions will influence light's travel

Influence of cut on light reflection and refraction

 

light leakage in deep cut diamond

 

Diamond 3 – Messy And Unsightly Contrast Patterning

Let’s take a closer look at the third diamond in its face up view. Note that this GIA diamond had been assigned the highest rating (excellent) in its symmetry grade.

messy arrows and patterning

Wait!!?? What!!? How can a diamond with an excellent symmetry grade look like this? It doesn’t even show a symmetrical patterning at all! Even for a layman, it’s obvious there is an uneven contrast patterning across the diamond. Why is this so?

The truth is, GIA grades diamonds in controlled environments and lighting conditions under 10X magnification. In the lab, the grades in which a diamond can be assigned will have a range of tolerances. This means even if a diamond achieves the highest grade of excellent, it doesn’t mean it is “perfect”.

In reality, a diamond with an excellent symmetry rating can still have slightly misshapen facets or misaligned facet junctions. When these minor deviations add up, it can result in a slightly wonky appearance as seen below.

ideal scope for messy excellent symmetry grade

Compared to the earlier diamonds, this idealscope image shows only a little light leakage. However, the unpleasant scintillation pattern this diamond displays makes it a poor choice. This is a classic example of a diamond that barely makes it into the triple excellent ratings and also shows you why buying blind is a bad idea.

I’m a Cut Nazi. Let Me Show You My Standards.

To most people, buying a diamond involves significant financial and emotional investments. I’m pretty sure everyone wants to get the most sparkly and beautiful diamond for their budget. As a benchmark for you to do comparisons, the following diamond is an example of a truly well-cut diamond.

0.50 Carat G Color VS1 Round Brilliant

recommended diamond 10X photograph reflector image that shows maximum light return

Did you know that the information found in this write up is actually stuff that most jewelers would never share with you for a couple of reasons?

One, most jewelers don’t have a good understanding of cut mechanics themselves. How would you expect them to properly advise you when they can’t even comprehend these things themselves? Don’t be surprised by the amount of jewelers and sales people who have poor knowledge of cut despite being in the trade for years.

Two, truly well cut diamonds are rare. Even if the occasional jeweler has indepth knowledge about cut, most would NEVER tell you about the true performance of their diamonds. Why? The more you begin to understand cut, the more their inventory would appear inept and inferior.

Most jewelers are in the business of making money even if it is done at the expense of the consumer. It won’t make sense for jewelers to place themselves in your perspective and risk losing a sale by over-educating you.

That’s a Pretty Long Read. Now, Where From Here?

Congratulations for making it this far! Reading this article will gain you crucial insights that the majority of other consumers don’t have. In time to come, you will thank me for this knowledge when you experience diamond shopping for yourself. : )

To get the maximum value out of your money, I highly recommend online stores like James Allen, White Flash and Brian Gavin Diamonds. Besides lower prices and better service standards, you can also access tangible cut data which many local brick and mortar shops do not provide.

Lastly, you probably know I don’t regurgitate the generic stuff everyone else is telling you about the 4Cs. I encourage you to spend another 15 minutes of your time to read through this step by step guide about choosing diamonds. I guarantee that it will make you a smarter and better shopper.

If you have any comments or questions, please feel free to leave a comment. I would love to hear your thoughts after reading this article.

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132 Comments

  1. Gerald N. Farmer-
    March 17, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    I had heard “experts” and also sales people dishing out advice to along the line of: “You have to see the diamond in person and determine the cut” and “You have to view the stone physically to know what you are getting.”

    This is probably another point that you might had missed.

  2. Paul Gian-
    March 17, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    To some extent, that is true only if you are comparing brick and mortar stores to online vendors like Bluenile where you buy blind and nothing more than a certificate is provided.

    So, here’s one very important question I would use in response. Even if you are buying in person, do you know what are you suppose to look out for?

    For the general consumer and laymen It isn’t that easy to tell apart a “Very Good” cut diamond from an “Excellent” cut. This is especially true when you are in jewelry stores. Did you know that the lighting in the stores are specially designed to make both poorly cut and well proportioned diamonds to come alive?

    Under misleading lighting sources, it becomes easy to make a really bad decision. In fact, I had seen it countless number of times where consumers find that the sparkles and brightness of the ring significantly diminishes once they are out of store lighting.

    Why? Because they bought a diamond that isn’t cut to ideal proportions and it immediately becomes obvious once they go out of the store and into fluorescent lighting environments.

    Next, view the video below of an online diamond listing with this link.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81pk3pe0HJc

    Here’s a great reason why buying online is so much better than shopping in brick and mortar stores. There’s no way the majority of consumers could see diamonds in such great details inside a jewelry store with glaring lights and a simple 10X loupe. Heck, most jewelry you see would probably be mounted and could have flaws that are hidden inside the mounting.

  3. Bernie-
    October 24, 2014 at 9:12 am

    I am in the market to purchase now, and can buy a very good cut diamond rated by GIA or DIA. Is it a “good enough” diamond or should I rather ask that they give me a excellent cut diamond?

    thanks

  4. Paul Gian-
    October 25, 2014 at 1:05 am

    Hi Bernie,

    DIA isn’t reputable lab. Stick with GIA graded diamonds instead.

    A “Very Good” cut isn’t good enough! For a round diamond, I recommend only Excellent cut ratings. Even then, you need to be very picky and apply more layers of filter.

    If you need more help, feel free to reach out to me via email.

    Paul

  5. Leeza-
    December 13, 2014 at 6:58 am

    Hi Paul,
    Might you help and briefly tell me what you think about this diamond?
    https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=6157915293

    I saw similar stones in the brick and mortar shops and they seemed to have more sparkles. Ordering now this one online I am not sure if there is a problem with the cut or if it is simply the light at home (when using very bright and clear light the stone looks great). Thanks for you advice!

  6. Paul Gian-
    December 13, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    The proportions look OK. Do you have an image or a direct link to the listing? Feel free to email me in private and I can take a deeper look into it for you.

  7. Noah-
    January 8, 2015 at 6:41 am

    Thanks for the awesome website, I bought a GIA Ex Ex Ex and got worried after having the ring for a couple of days. So, I started to do more research and the more information I found, the more I realize I probably didn’t make a great purchase. The diamond I bought has a crown angle of 36.0 and a pavilion angle of 41.4 degrees. After reading through the examples here, I think there’s light leakage in my diamond. What should I do now?

  8. Paul Gian-
    January 9, 2015 at 9:32 am

    It sounds like a poorly proportioned diamond which is at the fringes of the 3 Ex grades. The steep crown and pavilion angles don’t bode well and I suspect that the brilliance of the diamonds won’t be as good as other triple Ex stones.

  9. Smith-
    January 10, 2015 at 9:45 am

    I learnt a lot of knowledge about diamonds from your website. Thank you very much for your help and efforts! What about AGS or EGL ideal cut diamonds? Do those grading labs have such huge variations in cut quality as well?

  10. Paul Gian-
    January 12, 2015 at 9:42 am

    For AGS triple ideals, the variation is lesser but you would be able to find those that don’t perform that well too. You probably want to read this url for more information if you are interested to find out more.

    For EGL, stay away from the laboratory. Their grading standards are questionable and they recently got into legal issues with consumers suing them for “misrepresenting” the gradings.

  11. Al-
    June 16, 2015 at 1:11 am

    Hello, can you give me your opinion on this diamond:

    Measurements 7.56 – 7.63 x 4.57 mm
    Carat Weight 1.61 carat
    Color Grade G
    Clarity Grade SI1
    Cut Grade Very Good

    PROPORTIONS:

    Depth 60.2 %
    Table 57 %
    Crown Angle 34.5°
    Crown Height 15.0%
    Pavilion Angle 40.2°
    Pavilion Depth 42.5%
    Star Length 45%
    Lower Half 75%
    Girdle Thin to Medium, Faceted, 3.0%
    Culet None

    I already purchased this diamond but now I cant get over the fact that it’s a Very Good cut. The jeweler told me that it almost made it into the excellent cut category but since it was graded in 2005 they were a lot more strict. HCA score is 1.

    Thanks

  12. Paul Gian-
    June 16, 2015 at 4:09 am

    The diamond has poor proportions because of its shallow pavilion angles. I can tell you for sure that the diamond will exhibit light leakage and have sub-par optical performance based on its proportions alone.

    The HCA score of 1 is meaningless and not meant to be used in such a manner. It is a rejection tool and not a selection tool.

  13. NH-
    July 3, 2015 at 3:54 pm

    Paul what is your opinion on fluorescence. Many jewelers consider this an imperfection. My personal opinion is that i find that quite fascinating and beautiful that it reflects UV light in various colors.

    Also would you recommend other online stores like blue nile or ritani?

  14. Paul Gian-
    July 4, 2015 at 4:45 pm

    I’m a fan of fluorescence and intrigued by the properties it has in a diamond.
    This webpage should offer comprehensive information on this topic: https://beyond4cs.com/grading/fluorescence/

    For a list of recommended stores, read this: https://beyond4cs.com/best-place-to-buy-engagement-ring/

  15. Oscar-
    July 21, 2015 at 8:59 pm

    A lot of good information here for people with no knowledge. However, I didn’t agree with your opinion that sales reps and jewelers are out to deceive people. I do not know what stores you have worked at or dealt with, but any good jewelry store will have Gemoligist on site and at the very minimum people that are certified with some type of diamond organization. If the store where you shop at doesn’t have staff with these qualifications I would get out soon. You are right about the GIA’s system for grading cut, it is not the most thorough.

  16. Rikke-
    August 24, 2015 at 7:12 am

    What would the price difference between 3 x excellent and a 3 x fair/poor cut diamond (GIA/HRD)?

  17. Paul Gian-
    August 25, 2015 at 8:33 am

    Depends on a whole lot of factors. Read this: https://beyond4cs.com/diamond-prices/

  18. Tatiana M-
    September 2, 2015 at 4:26 pm

    Hey,

    I am in the market for an engagement ring and I am doing some preliminary research about diamonds. I am looking for a 2.00+ carat diamond, 3x, F/G/H, VS2/SI1/SI2.

    What would be the perfect proportions for a 2.00+ carat diamond that would make the diamond have ideal optical brilliance?

  19. Paul Gian-
    September 3, 2015 at 2:39 pm

    Use this as a guide: https://beyond4cs.com/shapes/round/ideal-proportions/

    I suggest that you follow my step by step guide because numbers are only a prerequisite and aren’t enough to make selections.

  20. QT-
    September 13, 2015 at 4:40 am

    Hi Paul,

    I found a GIA certified stone from the website located in NY. The price is lower compared to other similar stone. The store said if buy it, they can guarantee the authenticity but it is final sale, they don’t offer return policy due to the stone does not have photo/image/data available. I asked why didn’t it have photo/image and the rep said may be the supplier does not have the tool to take pictures or something…It will be tough for them to resale. Does that make sense to you? Is it risky to buy that stone? Is photo/image/photo important or as long as GIA graded then we are good? I need your educated advice. Thanks

  21. Paul Gian-
    September 15, 2015 at 3:59 am

    You need to read this:

    https://beyond4cs.com/buying-diamonds-blind/

    There is no lack of jewelers who can offer you indepth details of the diamonds they sell. So, the important question is, why would you choose to settle with this jeweler when there are better options out there?

    Even if a diamond is graded by GIA as a triple excellent cut, the range of cut quality and light performance is too broad. That’s the main problem with the current GIA grading system.

    Here’s a list of vendors that do offer additional details on their listings. I recommend checking them out: https://beyond4cs.com/best-place-to-buy-engagement-ring/

  22. M K-
    October 1, 2015 at 2:39 pm

    Hi Paul. What is your opinion?

    round 1.7 c
    7.80-7.84 x 4.59
    I color IF cl
    gia triple x
    D – 58.6%
    T – 61%
    CA – 33%
    CH – 12.5%
    PA – 40.8%
    PD – 43%
    SL – 50%
    LH – 75%
    G – thin to medium (faceted) 3%
    C – none

    Thank you for sending your book and for your website!

  23. Paul Gian-
    October 2, 2015 at 2:08 am

    Proportions don’t look very promising. The best way to verify light performance is through the use of the ASET scope.

    https://beyond4cs.com/2014/12/aset-reference-charts/

  24. James-
    November 12, 2015 at 9:41 pm

    Hi Paul,

    Just read your article and it definitely sounds a lot more complex than I had originally anticipated. I have a close family friend that is looking for diamonds and came upon this as his recommendation:

    Measurements: 7.30 – 7.33 x 4.60 mm
    Carat Weight: 1.52 carat
    Color Grade: H
    Clarity Grade: VS2
    Cut Grade: Excellent

    PROPORTIONS:

    Depth 62.8 %
    Table 56 %
    Crown Angle 36°
    Crown Height 16.0%
    Pavilion Angle 41.0°
    Pavilion Depth 43.5%
    Star Length 43.5%
    Lower Half 75%
    Girdle Slightly Thick, Faceted, 3.5%
    Culet None

    I’d be curious to get your thoughts on it. Thanks for all your insight and help!

  25. James-
    November 12, 2015 at 9:56 pm

    Sorry, the Girdle for the above is actually Medium-Slightly Thick (faceted) 3.5%

  26. Paul Gian-
    November 13, 2015 at 1:24 am

    Mediocre diamond. The crown angles are too high and the depth is a little steep as well.

  27. Phoebe-
    November 16, 2015 at 11:29 am

    Hi Paul

    I need your advice! Have you heard of Ashoka cut? It’s a patented cut which everyone says it’s rare and therefore sometimes you wouldn’t ask too much on Clarity when you can find/ afford one! The one I am looking at is 0.9ct centre stone, E color, cut grade is Excellent polish, Very good symmetry, and it sits in a well-known brand. The ring comes up with 0.55 ct halo and platinum shank. Price is 15k. For the weight of the centre stone, it does look like twice as big as it actually is, perhaps due to the method of cut and halo. But still 15k is A LOT of money. My bf and I wonder whether it’s worthwhile to push the budget for it. Thank you!

  28. Paul Gian-
    November 16, 2015 at 2:17 pm

    15k is beyond Tiffany prices and is extremely ludicrous. The Ashoka cut is nothing special and in my opinion, not the best cut diamonds for light performance.

  29. Anju-
    November 20, 2015 at 6:25 pm

    Hello, recently I purchased a diamond of gia with triple x
    Round brilliant
    Measurements 4.45-4.47*2.73
    Carat wt. 33 I vs1
    Depth – 61.3%
    Table – 59%
    CA – 33.5
    CH – 13.5%
    PA – 41.4
    PD – 44.0%
    STAR LENGTH – 50%
    Lower half- 80%
    Girdle – medium to slightly thick, faceted, 4.0%
    Culet none

    Plz help me is it brilliant diamond or not.

  30. Paul Gian-
    November 22, 2015 at 1:24 am

    Not able to tell you much except that the proportions are mediocre. Without even looking into the next level of details, this diamond would never get recommended by me in good faith.

    https://beyond4cs.com/buying-diamonds-blind/

  31. Grace-
    November 26, 2015 at 5:15 am

    Hi Paul. Have you heard of the Solasfera diamonds? Can you share your thoughts on it? Thank you!

  32. Paul Gian-
    November 26, 2015 at 5:36 am
  33. Alfredo-
    December 16, 2015 at 4:21 am

    Hi Paul. This website is awesome.

    I am interesting in one of those diamond. Whats your opinion?

    Diamond 1:

    Measurements: 4.11 – 4.15 x 2.49 mm
    Carat Weight: 0.25 carat
    Color Grade: E
    Clarity Grade: VS2
    Cut Grade: Excellent
    Depth 60.3%
    Table 57%
    Crown Angle 33.7°
    Pavilion Angle 41°
    Girdle Thickness Thin – Medium
    Culet Size None

    Diamond 2:

    Measurements: 4.10 – 4.13 x 2.53 mm
    Carat Weight: 0.26 carat
    Color Grade: E
    Clarity Grade: VS2
    Cut Grade: Excellent
    Depth 61.5%
    Table 56%
    Crown Angle 35.5°
    Pavilion Angle 40.6°
    Girdle Thickness Medium – Slightly thick
    Culet Size None

  34. Paul Gian-
    December 17, 2015 at 9:06 am

    Nothing much I can tell you except that those proportions don’t look appealing.

    https://beyond4cs.com/buying-diamonds-blind/

  35. Kim-
    December 27, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    Hi Paul,

    Am currently looking at purchasing a diamond with these proportions, what do you think about it? HCA score is 1 with excellent in all 4 categories.

    Measurements
    5.52 – 5.54 x 3.31 mm
    Carat Weight
    0.61 carat
    Color Grade
    H
    Clarity Grade
    VS2
    Cut Grade
    Excellent

    proportions
    Depth
    59.8 %
    Table
    59 %
    Crown Angle
    34.0°
    Crown Height
    14.0%
    Pavilion Angle
    40.6°
    Pavilion Depth
    43.0%
    Star Length
    50%
    Lower Half
    75%
    Girdle
    Thin to Medium, Faceted, 3.0%
    Culet
    None

  36. Paul Gian-
    December 28, 2015 at 7:11 am

    Proportions on paper look fine. However, that says nothing about the diamond’s appearance or light performance without further details.

    https://beyond4cs.com/buying-diamonds-blind/

  37. sam-
    January 5, 2016 at 8:36 am

    Good day mate,
    doing my research on diamonds and came through your website, really helpful. please let me know what you think of the diamond details bellow:

    Diamond ShapeRound Carat1.02 ct.
    Diamond CutExcellent
    ColourE ClarityVVS2
    Diamond Depth62.5%
    Diamond Table58%
    Diamond PolishExcellent
    Diamond SymmetryExcellent
    GirdleSlightly Thick
    CuletNON
    FluorescenceMED
    Diamond Measurements4.01×6.4×6.44

    If you could suggest me what numbers i should be looking at according to the table above would be appreciated.

    Regards,

  38. Paul Gian-
    January 6, 2016 at 3:04 pm

    You can check it against the table here: https://beyond4cs.com/shapes/round/ideal-proportions/

  39. T-
    January 19, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    Wow very good site, but unfortunately I was late to find it! Just purchased a ring yesterday and now based on what the article is saying I am not as confident in it anymore.

    Can you give an opinion on this diamond?

    cut: Excellent
    polish: Excellent
    symmetry: Excellent

    l/w ratio: 1.01
    depth %: 62.90
    girdle: Thin
    table %: 56.00
    culet: None
    certificate: GIA
    crown ∠: 35.00
    crown %: 15.50
    pavilion ∠: 41.40
    pavilion %: 44.00

    Cheers and thank you Paul,

  40. Paul Gian-
    January 20, 2016 at 2:10 am

    I’m sorry to say this but you bought a mediocre diamond. The extremely high pavilion angle is guaranteed to have excess light leakage in the diamond.

  41. T-
    January 20, 2016 at 4:59 pm

    Thanks Paul for your comment !

    Any opinions on this diamond ? Relative to the other one I posted above?

    Shape: Round
    cut: Excellent
    polish: Very Good
    symmetry: Excellent
    l/w/d (mm): 5.73*5.75*3.53
    l/w ratio: 1.00

    depth %: 61.50
    table %: 55.00
    certificate: GIA
    crown ∠: 33.00
    crown %: 14.50
    pavilion ∠: 41.00
    pavilion %: 43.50

    Cheers thank you,

  42. V-
    January 21, 2016 at 12:03 am

    Hi Paul,

    What are your thoughts on the following proportions?

    Depth: 62.6 %
    Table: 56 %
    Crown Angle: 36.0°
    Pavilion Angle: 40.6°
    Girdle: Medium, Faceted

  43. Paul Gian-
    January 21, 2016 at 1:35 am

    Proportions look slightly better but don’t tell the complete story.

    https://beyond4cs.com/buying-diamonds-blind/

  44. Paul Gian-
    January 21, 2016 at 2:08 am

    Poor. Crown angles and depth too high.

  45. NADIA-
    January 29, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    Hi Paul,

    Please advise me on my diamond studs which one I should buy ( No A or no B ) The 4 diamond are GIA

    A = VS2 G colour Size 0.50 depth 60.3% table 57% crown angle 32% pavilion 41.0

    A= size 0.51 depth 62.7 table 57% crown angle 35.0 pavilion 42.2

    B= VS2 F colour size 0.50 depth 61.3 table 59 crown angle 33.0 pavilion 41.2

    B= size 0.50 depth 62.3 table 58 crown angle 35.5 pavilion 41.0

  46. Paul Gian-
    January 30, 2016 at 12:40 am

    None. Diamonds are exhibit mediocre proportions to begin with. Read this as well: https://beyond4cs.com/buying-diamonds-blind/

  47. nadia-
    January 30, 2016 at 5:57 am

    oh really, thanks for your reply. Now I am really comfused that how will I know how to buy the diamond what I should look for the proportion on this size 0.50 round cut diamond. Please could you help me ?

    Many thanks

  48. Paul Gian-
    January 31, 2016 at 3:07 pm
  49. Sean McAndrew-
    February 15, 2016 at 5:17 pm

    Can you take a look at the diamond below for me?

    BIG fan of strong fluoro esp given the J color. Seems like a GREAT value as it is just below 1.5 and should face up exceptionally white and bright given the BG cut.

    Any opinion on the exact proportions of the cut? Looking for the most fire and sintilation and thought the slightly smaller table would help with this. Thanks!

    (reserved it and need to finalize asap!)

    http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.405-j-vs1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104084748008

  50. vince-
    February 19, 2016 at 4:37 am

    Amazing website and information!

    I am currently looking at this diamond for $9,000 Canadian dollars. Can someone please help me determine if this is a good buy. Appreciate any advice!

    Report for NGLC

    Report Number: 55515701

    Carat Weight: 1.29

    Date of Issue: 2015-09-21

    Shape and Style: ROUND BRILLIANT

    Clarity Grade: SI2

    Color Grade: D

    Cut Grade: IDEAL

    Polish: VERY GOOD

    Symmetry: VERY GOOD

    Fluorescence: MEDIUM

    Measurements: 6.86 X 6.82 X 4.33

    Table: 59%

    Depth: 63%

    Crown Height: 14%

    Crown Angle: 34°

    Pavilion Depth: 44%

    Girdle: SLIGHTLY THICK To:

    Girdle Condition: FACETED

    Culet: NONE

    Hearts and Arrows: NO

    Laser Inscriptions:

  51. Paul Gian-
    February 19, 2016 at 9:30 am

    Nope. You are asking to get ripped off by buying a diamond without a reliable grading report from GIA or AGS.

  52. Vince-
    February 19, 2016 at 6:12 pm

    Paul, thank you very much for the response, I will stick to GIA reports.

  53. Dolce-
    February 20, 2016 at 9:03 am

    Hi Paul
    Does the crown angle appear too shallow on this round brilliant, given the other proportions?

    Table 55%
    Depth 62.1%
    Crown angle 33.5
    Pav angle 40.8
    Slightly thick faceted
    GIA Triple-ex with med fluorescence

    Thanks
    Dolce

  54. Paul Gian-
    February 20, 2016 at 2:35 pm

    A 33.5 degrees crown angle is still acceptable. Get an idealscope or ASET to reveal more details about light performance.

  55. Dolce-
    February 20, 2016 at 3:01 pm

    Thanks Paul

  56. Ben-
    March 15, 2016 at 7:33 am

    Hi Paul,

    Can you advise on the below with your expertise:

    GIA report # 7213537285

    1.8c /G/VVS2
    7.71-7.76 x 4.86mm
    Table 56%
    Depth 62.9%
    Crown angle 36.5
    Pav angle 40.6
    Medium faceted 3.5
    GIA Triple-ex with none fluorescence/cutlet

    Thank you

  57. Paul Gian-
    March 18, 2016 at 1:16 pm

    Poorly cut diamond with extremely high crown angles.

  58. A Recent Diamond Searcher-
    March 22, 2016 at 1:24 am

    This link may get removed (http://ideal-scope.com/online-holloway-cut-adviser/) but if it does, google ‘Online Halloway Cut Advisor’ and it should come up. The site allows you to enter a diamond’s proportions and gives you some information on “Light Return”, “Fire”, “Scintillation” and “Spread”.

    This is not an advertisement! Paul Gian gives amazing advise and I really appreciate him for sharing. I found much of this information in various locations and through trial and error so when reading his pages, I see how much I’ve learned.

    Don’t get caret-shock. A local jeweler told me ‘when it comes to diamonds, size matters’. I was immediately disturbed; they tried pushing a 1.6 caret, excellent cut, SI2, L-color (GIA #1203328065) [https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=1203328065]. It was a very well cut diamond (I viewed through various scopes) but the L-color was too much for me (think for rounds, BlueNile sells up to J color, and JamesAllen up to K). The L was obviously yellow and even in a yellow-gold setting, it’s just a lower value stone (Local jeweler selling for $6,025). Beautifully cut, full hearts-and-arrows but too yellow for my tastes.

    In summary, start with cut and work your way up (in price) to what you’re comfortable with. My well-cut stone is < 1 caret but will outshine (literally) many 1+ caret stones because often times, buyers go for a large caret stone over a smaller amazingly cut one.

  59. O corrales-
    April 9, 2016 at 12:10 am

    hi,
    im looking to get this diamond for under 3000.
    its .86 J VS1, 3 EX , pavilion angle 40.6, deprh 62%, medium faceted 3.5.

    GIA certified. Ideal Cut

    off the bat, would it be worth it on a budget?

    thanks

  60. Paul Gian-
    April 10, 2016 at 3:25 am
  61. Todd-
    April 10, 2016 at 7:00 am

    Hi Paul,

    Great website. I am looking at diamond with the following pertinent specs:

    Weight: 1.36ct
    Clarity: VVS1
    Color: I
    Table: 59%
    Depth: 60.0%
    Crown Angle: 34.0
    Pavilion Angle: 40.6
    Girdle: Medium (3.5%)
    Cutlet: None

    The HCA tool grades it at 1.0. My question is, the table (59%) and the depth (60%) are outside the “ideal proportions.” Do these numbers look promising? I’ve requested ASET/Idealscope images and will see what I get but would like to know if the numbers are okay to start with.

    Thanks

  62. Paul Gian-
    April 10, 2016 at 3:26 pm

    Proportions aren’t fantastic. Get the scope images. The diamond could be great or could be a dud.

  63. omar-
    April 11, 2016 at 5:45 pm

    hi paul, can I get your take on both these diamonds:

    1) .80, I, VS2
    L/W/D:5.91-5.95,3.70
    depth:62.4
    table%:57.0
    crown angle:34.0
    crown%: 14.5
    p[avillion:41.4
    pavilion%:44.0

    2) .85, J,VS1
    L/W/D: 6.07-6.09,3.77
    table:57%
    crown:36.0
    crown%15.5
    pavilion:40.6
    pavilion%:43.0
    depth:62.0

    both are eye clean, excellent, ideal cut but does color truly matter between the I and J if the price of the J is more affordable?

  64. Paul Gian-
    April 12, 2016 at 4:10 am

    First stone is terrible. Second stone is mediocre.

    None of which I would buy when they fail the preliminary stages of filtering diamonds by proportions.

  65. omar-
    April 12, 2016 at 1:29 pm

    thanks for the previous reply, helps alot.

    so i read alot of your articles/links. if i want to keep a budget, what do i look for other than GIA specs and cut quality, is idealscope pattern/hearts n arrows view the best way to determine ‘the’ diamond to invest in? where can i safely sacrifice in C’s when comparing diamonds? If Cut is important proportionately and how the light is distributed and held evenly and Clarity is eye clean or better and so on, what do You look at overall to say ‘that IS’ a good diamond?

  66. Paul Gian-
    April 12, 2016 at 4:26 pm

    Diamonds are bad investment vehicles. If you buy diamonds with the mindset to invest, you are throwing your money away. Buy the stocks of the mining companies or use your money elsewhere.

    You can find answers to your other questions by doing a simple search on the search bar as well as in the header menus.

  67. Sue-
    April 28, 2016 at 12:30 pm

    Hi Paul,
    Heading to Antwerp and was wondering if you know anything about Ajediam Diamond dealers, Antwerp, Belgium? Or if you could recommend any one in Antwerp to purchase from. We have set up an appointment to go and look and maybe buy a loose diamond. Also in your opinion is a brilliant round diamond better than a princess cut diamond? Thanks Paul, Cheers Sue

  68. Fabian-
    May 4, 2016 at 4:18 pm

    Hi Paul, I’ve been looking at Diamonds and the best I could find to come close to the best proportions is…..
    Table – 57%
    Depth – 62.4%
    Crown Angle – 36
    Pavilion Angle – 41

    I wish that crown angle was 35.
    But with my budget this is the closest I’ve been able to find.
    How much damage will that crown angle do?
    I know it wont be an ideal reflection but does it at least come close?

    Thank you

  69. Paul Gian-
    May 5, 2016 at 1:23 am

    Depends on a case by case basis. You’ll just have to be realistic about what your budget can get you. Compromise on the other Cs like clarity or color BUT never on CUT.

  70. Angela Campbell-
    May 10, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    Hi Paul
    Your amazing with your honesty and knowledge .
    I just got engaged so exciting my ring is pretty most times depending on the light and where I’m located which makes me sad .Its a 1.20 round brilliant cut i.G.i certified from Jareds its
    6.67 -6.80x 4.28 mm color F clarity is Si2 cut very good ,polish symmetry good/good .My problem is when I look at it I see all the imperfections and it looks white in color .2 other jewelers said it has fluorescent in it. He paid 9k for the diamond alone and when I took it back they said I could only exchange it for one of a similar sz and shape and price but no refund .But now im scared that I’ll get a worse diamond from them . Any advise please and thank you have a blessed day .
    Angela

  71. Paul Gian-
    May 11, 2016 at 12:42 pm

    Exchange it and start over. This time with the guide here: https://beyond4cs.com/step-by-step-guide/

  72. Eric-
    May 17, 2016 at 7:02 pm

    Hi there, excellent website and tons of good information. I’m deciding between the 2 diamonds, what are your thoughts? Diamond A is about 2k CAD more than diamond B. Both are GIA Certified. Which diamond would you go for?

    Diamond A
    Round brilliant
    1.01CT
    D colour
    VS2
    Cut – Very good
    Polish – Excellent
    Symmetry – Excellent
    Fluorescence – Faint
    Slightly thick faceted 3.5%
    Star length – 50%
    Table size – 59%
    Total depth – 59.8%
    Crown height – 13.0%
    Pavilion depth – 43.0%
    Crown angle – 32.5 degrees
    Pavilion angle – 40.8 degrees
    Lower girdle facet length – 80%
    Culet size – none

    Diamond B
    Round brilliant
    1.00CT
    F colour
    VS2
    Cut – Excellent
    Polish – Excellent
    Symmetry – Very Good
    Fluorescence – None
    Slightly thick faceted 4.0%
    Star length – 50%
    Table size – 62%
    Total depth – 61.1%
    Crown height – 12.5%
    Pavilion depth – 44.5%
    Crown angle – 33 degrees
    Pavilion angle – 41.6 degrees
    Lower girdle facet length – 75%
    Culet size – none

    Thanks for your help, much appreciated. Keep up the good work!

  73. Paul Gian-
    May 18, 2016 at 4:01 am

    Neither. Both are terrible diamonds.

  74. Eric-
    May 19, 2016 at 4:14 pm

    Thanks Paul. That’s disappointing. With a 12k CAD budget, what do you suggest?

  75. Julia McGuire-
    May 21, 2016 at 12:18 am

    What do you think of this diamond? And can you recommend a diamond closer to 1.5 cts?

    https://www.victorcanera.com/diamonds/91yenn-1.254-g-si1-ideal-hearts-arrows-round

  76. Julia McGuire-
    May 21, 2016 at 12:19 am
  77. Paul Gian-
    May 21, 2016 at 4:46 am
  78. Paul Gian-
    May 21, 2016 at 6:32 am
  79. Winson Seto-
    May 24, 2016 at 5:26 pm

    Hi Paul,

    Great site! Was hoping you can share your thoughts on this stone I’m considering. thanks in advance

    Direct link to GIA cert:

    https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2176430830

    Shape: Round Brilliant
    Measurements: 7.32-7.34 x 4.55
    Weight: 1.51 ct
    Color: E
    Clarity: VS2
    Cut: Excellent (Triple X)
    Fluorescence: None

    Depth: 62.1%
    Table: 58%
    Crown Angle: 35.5%
    Crown Height: 15.0%
    Pavillion Angle: 41%
    Pavillion Depth: 43.5%
    Star length: 50%
    Lower Half: 80%
    Girdle: Thin to medium

  80. Paul Gian-
    May 25, 2016 at 2:10 am

    It’s not a promising stone by numbers.

  81. Winson-
    May 25, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    Can you be more specific?

  82. Paul Gian-
    May 26, 2016 at 1:42 am

    This should help: https://beyond4cs.com/shapes/round/ideal-proportions/

    Go through the step by step guide if you haven’t done so.

  83. Chelsea-
    June 13, 2016 at 4:53 am

    Hi Paul,
    You have a reader in Seoul, South Korea.
    I am currently looking at this diamond below. Can you please help me determine if this is a good buy?

    1.30 carat / E / VS2
    6.95 – 6.98 x 4.34 mm
    Depth: 62.4%
    Table: 56%
    Crown Angle: 34.5%
    Pavilion Angle: 40.8%
    Pavilion depth: 43%
    Crowh Height: 15.5%
    GIA triple excellent.

    After reading your articles, one thing I’m concerned about is the depth of 62.4%. Will this matter a lot making this stone only mediocre?

    Thanks.
    Chelsea

  84. Paul Gian-
    June 13, 2016 at 7:47 am

    Proportion wise, it looks like a decent stone. You need more information and tangible cut data in order to make the call on this diamond.

    https://beyond4cs.com/buying-diamonds-blind/

  85. Chelsea-
    June 14, 2016 at 12:37 am

    Thank you very much. I will not ‘buy blind’ :)
    Best,
    Chelsea

  86. David-
    June 21, 2016 at 3:18 am

    Hello Paul,
    Thank you for all the help and guidance you have provided us folks with very very limited knowledge on diamonds. I am looking for a diamond in the 8k-9.5k range and I found this diamond:

    https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.35-carat-h-color-vvs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-1087942

    would this be a mediocre diamond? any suggestions of better diamonds?

    Thank you in advance!!

  87. Paul Gian-
    June 21, 2016 at 2:12 pm

    It’s a fine stone. The crown angles are a bit on the high side but the video depicts a well cut stone.

  88. David-
    June 21, 2016 at 2:33 pm

    Thank you so much for your help! And thank you for putting this site together, very grateful for the help.

  89. Kelly-
    July 13, 2016 at 8:03 am

    Hi Paul,

    I am hoping to get your opinion on this GIA diamond

    Table – 59% / Crown – 35.5 / Pavilion – 41.2 / Depth 62.9
    2.78 ct. – Color J – Clarity SI2 with characteristics Twinning Wisp, Feather, Knot (Comments: Additional twinning wisps are not shown. Surface graining is not shown.)

    I appreciate your help, thanks.

  90. Paul Gian-
    July 13, 2016 at 3:33 pm

    Poor proportions. You can do better than this mediocre stone.

  91. Alan-
    July 19, 2016 at 3:49 am

    Seeing how GIA 3 Ex can be poor light performers,

    1) Doesn’t GIA need to fine tune their cut grades so that there is a grade for truly excellent light performers where buyers can rest assured that a diamond is truly well cut based on that grade?

    OR

    Revise their grading system so that only truly well cut diamonds make it to 3 Ex?

    2) Why doesn’t GIA do that???

  92. Paul Gian-
    July 19, 2016 at 9:24 am

    I think there’s something I want to be clear here. You won’t get an “ugly” diamond by buying one with a GIA 3EX rating. My standards for cut are extremely high and this is reflected in much of beyond4cs.com’s article. I don’t settle for OK stones but will only recommend fantastic diamonds. And that’s what I’m showing readers how to do the same.

    There’s some bureaucracy and political issues if GIA were to revamp their cut standards. The industry won’t take it well. Speaking of change, beside cut grading issues, there are other issues with clarity and fluorescence reporting that could be improved as well.

  93. Kelly-
    July 25, 2016 at 7:06 pm

    Hi Paul,

    Which in your expert opinion is the best diamond out of these three? All are GIA graded, round brilliant. The first two are same price, different jewelers, the third is about $1,300 more…

    3.24 ct. (9.44 x 9.49 x 5.85 mm)
    Table – 58% / Crown – 34.0 / Pavilion – 41.2 / Depth 61.8
    Color J – Clarity SI1 with characteristics Cloud, Feather, Crystal, Needle (Comments: Additional clouds are not shown. Pinpoints are not shown.)

    3.30 ct. (9.58 x 9.59 x 5.91 mm)
    Table – 56% / Crown – 34.0 / Pavilion – 41.2 / Depth 61.6
    Color I – Clarity SI1 with characteristics Cloud, Crystal, Needle (Comments: Additional clouds, pinpoints and surface graining are not shown.)

    3.52 ct. (9.65 – 9.71 x 6.05 mm)
    Table – 56% / Crown – 36.5 / Pavilion – 40.6 / Depth 62.5
    Color I – Clarity SI1 with characteristics Crystal, Feather, Cloud, Needle (Comments: Pinpoints are not shown.)

  94. Paul Gian-
    July 26, 2016 at 2:03 am

    Neither. All 3 have mediocre proportions that result in light leakage and lesser brilliance.

  95. Michael-
    August 22, 2016 at 12:05 pm

    Hi Paul,

    im currenty searchig a good diamond for an engagement ring.
    Im currenty stuck with these two:
    GIA Report: 6221261904
    GIA Report: 1218733706

    I really don’t kown with one I should take. The price and weight are the same.

    How I’mportant are the Clarity Characteristics?
    If it’s not I’m trending to the first one.

    I hope you can help me.

  96. Paul Gian-
    August 23, 2016 at 3:07 am
  97. CJ-
    October 11, 2016 at 5:29 pm

    Hi Paul,

    Wonderful site!! I’ve learned a lot — hoping this is a reasonable stone.

    Comments on this 2.29 E VS2 stone?
    Table: 56%
    Depth: 62.2%
    Crown Angle: 35.0 degrees
    Pavilion Angle: 40.8 degrees
    Star facets: 50%
    Lower girdle facets: 80%

    Thank you very much in advance!

  98. CJ-
    October 11, 2016 at 5:54 pm

    FWIW, I’ve seen this stone in person (to my untrained eye it is beautiful!), and it scores <2 on the HCA.

    Thanks again,
    CJ

  99. MSJ-
    October 11, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    Hi Paul,

    What do you think about this?

    Picture –
    https://www.ritani.com/diamonds/round-diamond-0-75-Carat-G-color-GIA-certified/D-02JVRM

    Specs:
    Weight: 0.75
    Color: G
    Cut: Ex
    Clarity: SI1
    Polish: Ex
    Sym: Ex
    Flour: Faint
    Depth: 61.9%
    Table: 56%
    Measurements 5.84MM X 5.81MM X 3.61MM
    Girdle: MED TO SLIGHTLY THICK
    Culet: none
    pavilion angle: 40.6
    crown angle: 36

    I have reserved this diamond already but nothing is set in stone and I will get to look at it in store before the purchase is complete.

  100. Paul Gian-
    October 12, 2016 at 3:45 am

    If you have seen it in person, that’s good enough to make a decision on it. The proportions are OK.

  101. Paul Gian-
    October 12, 2016 at 4:02 am

    The diamond’s crown angles are a tad too high.

  102. Christopher-
    November 14, 2016 at 3:21 am

    I went to look at diamonds for the first time. This was already after I’ve done extensive reading on 4cs and the proportions. I have a loose diamond on hold right now but I just wanted to double check and get a second opinion before I shell out $5k (that’s my gf’s budget for this ring not mine). I looked at the diamond in black light and the symmetry looks perfect to me with hearts and fire angles, and besides the crown angle, all other proportions were within “range” from that table you usually link to. Can you tell me if this seems like a good diamond? This is from the GIA report. Thanks!

    ROUND BRILLIANT

    Measurements
    5.92 – 5.96 x 3.68 mm
    Carat Weight
    0.80 carat
    Color Grade
    D
    Clarity Grade
    VS2
    Cut Grade
    Excellent
    PROPORTIONS

    Depth
    62.0 %
    Table
    57 %
    Crown Angle
    36.0°
    Crown Height
    16.0%
    Pavilion Angle
    40.6°
    Pavilion Depth
    42.5%
    Star Length
    50%
    Lower Half
    80%
    Girdle
    Medium, Faceted, 3.5%
    Culet
    None

    FINISH

    Polish
    Excellent
    Symmetry
    Excellent
    FLUORESCENCE

    Fluorescence
    None
    CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS

    Clarity Characteristics
    Crystal

  103. Paul Gian-
    November 14, 2016 at 6:45 am

    Nope. This is not a great diamond. The excessively high crown angles are not ideal.

  104. Jasmine-
    November 14, 2016 at 8:12 am

    Hi Paul,

    Thank you for sharing. I am curious to know what you think about this diamond? It looks gorgeous in any light and looks bigger than my friend’s 2.00+ carat stone even though it is only a VG diamond. We looked all over for the perfect stone and saw a few others but we loved this one even despite the less than Excellent cut. With all that said, I honestly can’t believe it’s only graded as a Very Good cut. How much would a consumer expect to pay for a stone of this rating?

    ROUND BRILLIANT
    Measurements – 7.73 – 7.79 x 4.61 mm
    Carat Weight – 1.64 carat
    Color Grade – F
    Clarity Grade – VVS2
    Cut Grade – Very Good

    PROPORTIONS
    Depth – 59.5 %
    Table – 58 %
    Crown Angle – 33.5°
    Crown Height – 14.0%
    Pavilion Angle – 41.2°
    Pavilion Depth – 43.5%
    Star Length – 45%
    Lower Half – 75%
    Girdle – Thin to Medium, 2.0%
    Culet – None

    FINISH
    Polish – Very Good
    Symmetry – Very Good

    Fluorescence – None

  105. Paul Gian-
    November 14, 2016 at 12:44 pm

    The diamond proportions are bad. The pavilion angles are too steep for this stone to be any good.

  106. Morgan-
    December 2, 2016 at 9:58 am

    Hi Paul,
    As you suggest, I decided to go with ACA diamond form white flash.
    Now next I need to choose color and clarity.
    Do you think J and SI2 is good enough for 0.4~0.5 carat?
    Of course the higher the better but I am on a tight budget so if the changes are not that noticeable then I will stick to this but if you really think at least color or clarity needs to be changed, please let me know.
    Thanks.

  107. Paul Gian-
    December 2, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    Color and clarity is largely up to personal preferences.

  108. rob-
    January 3, 2017 at 2:25 am

    Hi Paul,
    If there is a diamond with a depth of 61.8% and table of 63%, does this automatically disqualify the quality? I don’t have the angles on the pavilion information
    Other info I have is round brilliant 6.79-6.8x 4.20
    vs1
    F color

    There is one small pinpoint in the table but other inclusions look like they can be hidden by prongs in the setting.

    What is your opinion?

  109. Paul Gian-
    January 3, 2017 at 6:46 am

    Yep. Terrible choice of diamond. You don’t need the pavilion/crown angles information to tell you that this is not a well cut stone.

  110. Ben-
    January 22, 2017 at 10:08 pm

    Hi Paul,

    So glad I discovered your website, it’s been interesting and informative, a fantastic resource.

    You highlight this as a benchmark for a truly well cut diamond, https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.50-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-1299454.
    If I was looking to purchase a 0.5 carat diamond would that be one you’d recommend or is there something other than the cut which makes it a less than ideal choice? I notice it is listed as having a knot inclusion, I couldn’t find anything on your inclusions page about knots, is that something to be concerned about.

    Many thanks,

    Ben

  111. Paul Gian-
    January 23, 2017 at 6:58 am

    The diamond is well cut and one that I would personally buy. With regards to the knot inclusion (an embedded crystal inclusion that is exposed on the diamond’s surface), it is not an issue at VS1 clarity.

  112. farah-
    January 23, 2017 at 6:27 pm

    Hi Paul,

    Not sure if my comment went through yesterday. Repost just in case it didn’t, as well as adding links to reports.

    Thank you for this!–found it informative and helpful. I was wondering if you could please give advice/your opinion on the two diamonds below?
    GIA #7211555932 https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=7211555932 (also comes with a GSI light analysis report http://wg.gemscience.net/PDF/H15077800502.VVIMIOSPNB.pdf –excellent for brilliance, fire, scintillation, and contrast effect, and very good for efficiency)
    AGS #104046879034 carat=2.018 http://www.agslab.com/pdf_sync_reports/104046879034-PDQDFK.PDF
    Note: The diamonds both look beautiful in person. The GIA, SI1 is eye clean. But, both don’t seem to fit 100% into the varying ideal proportions listed online…and I am getting so confused. Any help would be much appreciated.
    Thank You,
    Farah

  113. Paul Gian-
    January 24, 2017 at 2:53 pm

    Proportions wise, the AGS stone is mediocre and I would drop the stone for sure. As for the GIA diamond, the numbers look OK on paper. While the GSI report isn’t one that I would trust, it’s ratings on that report makes the stone worth further investigating.

  114. Nicole-
    February 26, 2017 at 7:46 am

    Hi Paul,

    I can see your passionate about spending wisely on a diamond.
    I’m currently trying to decide on how important a diamond is to me versus other stones for an engagement ring.
    I’m very drawn to the luster and sparkle a diamond can offer, but am curious if you’re partial to diamonds or if any there are any other stones that are just as brilliant in your opinion?

    Thanks,

  115. Paul Gian-
    February 26, 2017 at 8:51 am

    There’s a reason why diamonds are typically used for bridal jewelry. Their hardness makes them less susceptible to wear and tear. On top of that, the inherent properties of a diamond allows them to be polished for better brilliance and scintillation as compared to other gemstones.

  116. Thomas Boda Ravn-
    April 1, 2017 at 9:17 am

    Hi Paul

    I just want to say thanks for all your help here on your website.
    For other readers I will just explain my story up to buying the diamond

    First I looked at multiple jewellery stores but I always felt I didn’t know enough about the diamond trade so I would make a bad buy.
    I then got in contact with a jeweller through a colleague. Within my price range he could offer me a 0.3 carat in yellow gold. I am soon going to propose to my girlfriend and I know she prefers yellow gold, so that was fine.
    He seemed reasonable priced but it was the idea that I didn’t have full control over the details that I didn’t like. So I called him and said I would buy my own diamond and then have it set.

    Then I did a lot of research, both on YouTube and multiple sites including this one. First I looked at 77diamond and asked Paul about a few diamonds, which he couldn’t recommend. The diamonds I looked at was triple excellent and the angles etc. was find when you type those into the HCA tool. But I would still be buying blind because there is no 360 degrees’ video on their website, so you can’t see how the diamond will reflect light.

    Since I live in Denmark it has to be an online dealer which ships through a European country so I wouldn’t be imposed of an import tariff, which would happen if it came from the US.

    So I ended up with Bluenille because they offered 360 degrees’ video and ships through Ireland.
    On their website I used their filters and choose excellent the places you can choose that, then table between 53% and 58% and depth between 59 % and 61.8 %. Since the diamond is going to be set in yellow gold I went with F-J colour (properly choose two colour grades lower than J if it’s set in a white metal ring, but it depends on you in the end) and VS2-FL in clarity. Last option I choose was Ideal and Signature Ideal and my budget was at maximum 1200 dollars.

    I then had 15-20 choices. I then looked at diamonds which had a crown angle between 34.3 – 34.9 and a pavilion angle between 40.6-40.9
    I first had a look at a 0.37 I colour Signature Ideal but in my second search I included the Bluenille Ideal which lead me to this 0.46 carat J VVS2 which I bought:

    https://www.bluenile.com/dk/diamond-details/LD07352178

    Through all of this Paul was really helpful explaining my questions and hopefully some can use my story in their hunt for a diamond :)

  117. Kim mutikainen-
    April 13, 2017 at 4:35 pm

    Hi Paul, I am in the market for å ring. I just receieved the GIA for the center diamond. I am all new to this and this is the first diamond ring I buy to my loved one so I want it to be as perfect as possible within my budget. Here is the link to the certificate: https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=6221954337

    And here is link to the ring:
    https://www.tesori.no/diamantringer/enstensringer-sidediamanter/calice-diamantring-top-wesselton-vs

    Would very much appreciate your view on this center diamond.

    Ps. I will buy the ring in Norway.

  118. Paul Gian-
    April 14, 2017 at 9:38 am

    There’s nothing much I can tell you about the stone. Read this: https://beyond4cs.com/buying-diamonds-blind/

  119. kim mutikaonen-
    April 14, 2017 at 11:20 am

    Hi, I tried to get pictures and videos without luck. Their statement was that diamonds of this size and the details I was looking for would not be percivable with the naked eye. But if i went for the ring I could choose whatever stone I wanted based on the GIA certificates.

  120. Paul Gian-
    April 15, 2017 at 2:54 am

    Well, you should be seriously reconsidering who you are doing business with when there are other vendors out there who will do more for consumers: https://beyond4cs.com/best-place-to-buy-engagement-ring/

  121. madhur-
    May 7, 2017 at 12:39 pm

    what is the ideal proportions that one should lookout for while purchasing a diamond apart from it being the triple X.

  122. Paul Gian-
    May 8, 2017 at 5:25 am
  123. Azam Razali-
    June 13, 2017 at 7:54 am

    Hi Paul,

    Was doing some surveys on diamonds and I find below specs pretty interesting based on your guidelines. Would appreciate your feedback if I’m making a correct selection as I’m focusing on sparkle small carat diamond. Will it makes a big difference in terms of presence against a lesser grade in color and clarity but higher carat with similar proportions?

    TQ!

    Shape: Round
    carat weight: 0.33
    color: D
    clarity: VS1
    cut: True HeartsTM Ideal
    polish: Ideal
    symmetry: Ideal
    Fluorescence: None
    l/w/d (mm): 4.41*4.45*2.76
    l/w ratio: 1.01
    depth %: 62.20
    girdle: Thin – Slightly Thick
    table %: 54.00
    culet: Pointed
    certificate: AGS
    crown ∠: 34.00
    crown %: 15.50
    pavilion ∠: 40.80
    pavilion %: 43.10

    Found this from James Allen
    https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.33-carat-d-color-vs1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-2253775

  124. Paul Gian-
    June 14, 2017 at 3:43 am

    This is a well cut diamond for sparkle. However, D color is extremely white and overkill if you ask me. Since you are shopping on a shoestring budget, it makes sense to go for a larger diamond with lower clarity (i.e. G/VS2) without compromising cut quality. It should enable you go larger in carat size and this is what people usually notice when they look at an engagement ring.

  125. Jose-
    August 14, 2017 at 10:34 pm

    Hi! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us, I have learnt a lot from your site. I have found this diamond that i am in the process of buying for an engagement ring. Below are the specifications:

    Brilliant Round
    GIA triple Excellent
    0.61 ct weight

    Measurements: 5.48 – 5.51 x 3.34 mm
    Depth: 60.8%
    Table: 57%
    Crown angle: 34.0
    Pavilion angle: 40.8
    Girdle: Medium, Faceted 3.5%
    Cutlet: None

    This is an SI2 with twinning wisps, but while I don’t see any inclusions to the naked eye, when I see the diamond through the Hearts and Arrows scope, I notice various black dots. Should I be worried? Also, even though it is triple excellent, when viewing the diamond through the H&A scope on the pavilion view, I notice the hearts are not clearly visible (I need to move the position of my head to see the shapes otherwise it doesn’t look as neat.). Many thanks and I look forward to reading your thoughts.

  126. Paul Gian-
    August 15, 2017 at 1:28 pm

    With the hearts and arrows scope, you do need to align your head correctly to a perpendicular angle to the diamond (which needs to lie on a flat surface). As for the various black dots, I am guessing they are inclusions.

  127. Joyce-
    October 18, 2017 at 7:26 pm

    Hi Paul,
    Your articles are so very helpful and I wished I stumbled onto it before making a decision to purchase. Based on very limited information from a GIA report, can you give me your honest opinion? I did view the diamond in person and it’s beautiful but now that I’m more educated I have doubts because there’s obviously levels of beauty with rounds. Thanks!

    https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=7256817685

  128. Paul Gian-
    October 19, 2017 at 4:53 am

    Just by diamond proportions alone, the table, depth and crown angles would have been instantly rejected by me. I would not bother spending time to even look up tangible data like ASET/Idealscope images to further investigate the stone.

  129. Austin-
    November 17, 2017 at 9:09 pm

    https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.80-carat-d-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3312564

    https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.86-carat-g-color-vvs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3598405

    https://www.ritani.com/diamonds/round-diamond-0-81-Carat-G-color-GIA-certified/D-5HFQ52

    Of these three diamonds, which would you say would be the best deal? Which would offer the most shine, fire, or brilliance?
    Thanks in advance. This post has been very helpful so far, you seem incredibly knowledgeable and forthcoming about diamond shopping.

  130. Paul Gian-
    November 19, 2017 at 6:50 am

    All 3 diamonds are absolutely horrible choices. I don’t even need to look at the ASET images to tell you this. Dump all 3 stones and read up on Beyond 4Cs and go shop again.

  131. Kathleen-
    December 6, 2017 at 12:43 am

    I’m a Certified Gemologist Appraiser GIA/AGS, and while I agree with pretty much everything Paul discussed in his article (amazing read, Paul!), I will say one thing:

    In my 15 years as an appraiser, I have seen dull looking triple excellent diamonds and I’ve seen amazingly brilliant old European cut diamonds! Obviously, you’re much more likely of obtaining a beautiful diamond with the excellent cut, polish, symmetry…but every diamond is different. I’m not saying the cut isn’t important (it’s the most important of the C’s), but I’ve seen people get WAY too obsessed with it. At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is how the diamond makes you feel. It may sound cheesy, but I’ve dealt with my fair share of clients with the “engineer” mentality, and they just get too hung up on table percentages, crown angle percentages, etc. If you don’t take my word as someone in the industry, please take it as a diamond-loving woman.

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